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CLASH OF SPORTING IDEOLOGIES

June 19th 2007 03:25
I find myself in the middle of one such battle. You see Mr M loves, loves, loves soccer….football for you purists. Nothing would make him happier than to see one of his children take up the sport. If all three children did (yes, my daughter included), he would be in heaven.

I on the other hand cannot stand soccer; not for the lack of trying mind you. Me and soccer, it will just never be.

I play netball and enjoy watching rugby league, aussie rules and cricket. Anyone want to take a guess at which sports Mr M doesn’t particularly like watching? Yeah, we have a clash of sporting ideologies.

Neither of us are nutty enough to stop the children picking whatever sport they want to play, but herein lies my problem. Mr M would like to encourage soccer as the sport of choice. Fine, but I’m the one who will have to take the little soccer stars to training…and stay…and watch…every week…in the cold.

Then go to the games on the weekend; I can’t not watch the game, I’m sure that would disappoint the little tikes. Have I mentioned that I don’t like soccer?

Sure it might be cute watching a bunch of 6 year olds chase the ball but what about when they get older and the game starts to get a little more serious; and all the things that I dislike about the game come to the fore. What happens then?

I dated a soccer player once and it wasn’t pretty when he lost. He was a defender so if his team lost, that meant that he didn’t do his job. Even if he didn’t do anything wrong, he thought he could’ve done better. How do you argue with that?

Could my children perform a miracle and actually change my mind about this game?

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Comment by DuskDevi

June 19th 2007 04:45
....la la la la la...just wondering by...dropping a hint here and there....

Comment by David

June 19th 2007 04:45
Mrs M

While Mr M is out? Play Aussie Rules, Rugby and Cricket with your children. Watch videos of these games. Play dress up. Forget about doing any domestic duties.

If the children say they want to play soccer, just tell them they can do that when Mr M is home because you're not qualified.

And then? When they're old enough (and their minds have been 'formed')? Let them make up their own minds.

I sure hope Mr M has a sense of humour.

Chaste embraces and none of that other stuff.

David ...

Comment by yoda76

June 19th 2007 04:52
Dusk

Not funny.

David

Go away. Stop polluting my family.



yoda76 (aka Mr M)

Comment by KylieW

June 19th 2007 06:27
Okay, I think the only thing for it is to start your own propaganda campaign. Soccer - Bad......All Others Sports - Good. You know, something sophisticated like that (sorry Mr M )

Kylie

Comment by Ahmed

June 19th 2007 08:56
In all honesty all I can say is that there must be something wrong with your kids if they pick anything BUT football/soccer.

Sorry, netball to girly and restrictive (it's a game of rules rather than moves), rugby? Too violent and restritive (overly tactical really), aussie rules? Please, a bunch of dudes in their jox running around, cricket? OMG PLEASE NO! I'm not even going to touch it.

Soccer/Football, an actual sport that recquires skill, strength and tactics in equal measure. That and I believe it pays most out of any sport (besides golf) should it be taken up professionally.

Comment by DuskDevi

June 19th 2007 09:12
Netball "too girly"????

Said like someone who has never played a physical sport obviously.

Aussie Rules...perhaps a bit too fast for you to comprehend.

Rugby too violent???

Rugby requires intestinal and mental fortitude.
Violence is perceived by those who let fear rule their lives.

And "overly tactical" is a bit rich coming from a self proclaimed pedant.

Comment by Ahmed

June 19th 2007 09:17
No need to take personal attacks out against me, has the hallmarks of a demanding parent really (soccer moms anyone?).

That and is a clear indication you're holding some childish grudge against my person, I wouldn't know why you would but I suppose I can guess it's because some people don't grow up to understand people have differing opinions they can express to various degrees.

Perhaps you should look into the concept of 'agreeing to disagree'.

Also, I've played every sport known to the wetsern world having had my education in this country.

Comment by DuskDevi

June 19th 2007 09:24
Seriously kid...do you ever read what you write? Or is that soapbox too slippery?

Sorry Mrs M.
We are visitors to your blog.

Comment by Ahmed

June 19th 2007 09:32
I'm a visitor, DuskDevi is someone looking for an argument. Theres a key difference in that I promote insightful (read: colourful) discussion wherein Dusk advocates an assault on reason by way of disregard for others opinions.

Comment by Ash

June 19th 2007 09:33
what does the soccer coach look like Mrs M? that could make your trips very worthwhile!

Comment by Ash

June 19th 2007 10:16
being an avid netball player I`ve had a few black eyes before

Some of the players even used to spit on the playing field.

Comment by yoda76

June 19th 2007 10:52
what does the soccer coach look like Mrs M? that could make your trips very worthwhile!

Um.. hello..?? I'm still here!?!

Comment by Ahmed

June 19th 2007 10:59
Um.. hello..?? I'm still here!?!

Don't let your wife intermix with people who lack integrity, it always rubs off

Then again, you don't stand much of a chance

Comment by yoda76

June 19th 2007 11:08
Don't let your wife intermix with people who lack integrity, it always rubs off

Include yourself in that list, Ahmed?



That's cool - I'll just have to get down to my wife's netball games as revenge...

Comment by Ahmed

June 19th 2007 11:10
I have integrity, or at least the integrity I lack is not the same integrity associated with loyalty and whatnot.

so therse a key difference there.

Comment by Ash

June 19th 2007 11:34
Um.. hello..?? I'm still here!?!

what? he could look like a very intelligent bloke who could persuade her to like soccer.

Comment by yoda76

June 19th 2007 11:41
what? he could look like a very intelligent bloke who could persuade her to like soccer.

Cute.

She already has a very intelligent bloke 'persuading her to like soccer', thankyou very much.


Comment by Ahmed

June 19th 2007 11:56
hahaha, wow, wow, even I didn't see that coming - and I always thought I was the sly one.

yoda, dude, thats just classic. No one can get by you when you're firing off those witty remarks.

Comment by yoda76

June 19th 2007 12:20
yoda, dude, thats just classic.

I am here to amuse...

Where'd you get your little cheerleader - she's hot

Comment by Mrs M

June 19th 2007 12:51
Well it seems like you don't need me for this conversation....Mrs M this is not the conversation you are looking for...

Hi David,


Don't you worry, I do all that already.


Hi Dusk,


I couldn't throw rugby into the mix...I barely have a grasp of my the game myself...again not for the lack of trying and watching, but the rules escape me.

And you are welcome to converse/argue with others on my blog anytime....I enjoy the spectacle.


Hi Ash,

It's an interesting point you make and one I hadn't considered before. It changes everything.


Hi Ahmed,


First and foremost, while I enjoy reading your comments, there will be NO DISPARAGING comments about netball on my blog. You have been warned. Do it again and I will red card you, you soccer nutter.

All games have rules and those rules enforce limitations. That's the point. Overcome the limitations and you win the game.

Have you ever played netball? The biggest critics I've come across are generally those who haven't played...and it is mainly men.

I've have a few male friends who thought that playing netball would be easy until they got onto a court and some girl rang rings around them. And then the men got all sh*tty because they couldn't just muscle their way through. They had to use their heads and tactics to get the ball down the court. But don't be fooled my friend, netball can get physical just because there is no tackling. And the next usual comment I hear is "yeah but you can't contact"; yeah well in soccer they're not supposed to take dives either but they do.

Soccer is a skillful game; I do not question or disagree with that. But there are so many other reasons why I think this game sucks.


Hi yoda,


She already has a very intelligent bloke 'persuading her to like soccer', thankyou very much.
And exactly how's that going for you?


Thanks to you all. I have thoroughly enjoyed this evenings entertainment.

Love & stuff
Mrs M

Comment by yoda76

June 19th 2007 12:56
there will be NO DISPARAGING comments about netball on my blog.

But there are so many other reasons why I think this game sucks.

Ah the double-standard reigns supreme! Nary a disparaging word against Netball, but Soccer just plain sucks. Love the logic!

And exactly how's that going for you?

Dunno - what you up to tonight?

Sorry everyone - was that too much?

Comment by Ahmed

June 19th 2007 13:03
ah women! I love how they contradict themselves and are always completely oblivious to the fact thereof.

It's why you don't get them in computer science, because contradicting yourself in your code means you're screwed for good and no amount of 'talking' (read: nagging) to the computer will solve your problems.

Have you ever played netball? The biggest critics I've come across are generally those who haven't played...and it is mainly men.

I wouldn't criticize it if I haven't played it... every god damn day for six long months no less :8


They had to use their heads and tactics to get the ball down the court. But don't be fooled my friend, netball can get physical just because there is no tackling. And the next usual comment I hear is "yeah but you can't contact"; yeah well in soccer they're not supposed to take dives either but they do.

lets see, my problem with net ball is the fact it's too much 'use your head' this or 'move there' that with no healthy dose of physical movement in it.

Now, as for your 'non-contact sport' remark, everytime I see a netball game/god forbid am forced to play it everytime theres contact between two parties the referee blows the whistle hard and the game pauses, this happens severel THOUSAND times per game.

In soccer? Bugger all, sure it has 'non-contact' but it's all god damn contact, this isn't just with backyard soccer, this goes all the way to the world cup. Those damn italians are awful crafty, stole the world cpu from us didn't they?

As for Ashes remark 'spitting on the field', well I can't really make a comparison between lack of hygene and physical toughness, but if you can more power to you


Comment by DuskDevi

June 19th 2007 13:03
...well...it's so bad that even John O'Neill (oh bad taste in mouth...ewww) left to go back to Rugby...


Just curious...how far away from each other are you sitting?

well come onnnn....you've already told us what you are doing later tonight...or like to be doing.... (yes sleeping is good)...


Thank you Mrs M for your permission regarding my
assault on reason by way of disregard for others opinions
...but I only argue with people my size or bigger. And no one fitting that description was arguing with me here.

Comment by Ahmed

June 19th 2007 13:07
...but I only argue with people my size or bigger. And no one fitting that description was arguing with me here.

Physiology has little to nothing to do with intellectual debates

Comment by yoda76

June 19th 2007 13:10
Just curious...how far away from each other are you sitting?

You are a sharp one, Dusk - about a foot away

Physiology has little to nothing to do with intellectual debates

'Cept the size of your grey matter...


Comment by DuskDevi

June 19th 2007 13:17
Why assume that 'size' refers to physicality little one?

Comment by Mrs M

June 19th 2007 13:23
yoda,

Nary a disparaging word against Netball, but Soccer just plain sucks. Love the logic!
And so you should.


Hi Ahmed,


no healthy dose of physical movement in it.
Then I don't think you were playing it right...or well.

too much 'use your head'
Feel like you can't keep up with that one?

this happens severel THOUSAND times per game.
Well a good umpire will play the advantage rule.

Maybe you should watch some of the Commonwealth Bank Trophy games and you can see how fast the game is played. Even if the game is 'stopped' the ladies move very quickly into position and free passes are taken very quickly.

C'mon Ahmed admit it...you're a closet netball lover.

Love & stuff
Mrs M

Comment by Ahmed

June 19th 2007 13:32
@DuskDevi

So does it relate to ego then? I won't contest, you and David can have that one

Maybe I prefer suoccer because all the stupid umpires seem to umpire it, jus like I'll play timed chess if I want to be thinking about making my next move in the alloted amount of time (3 seconds was it?).

I've seen it on TV, it's all women yelling, it's like basketballin a lot of ways (not all ways, just a lot of ways) except you don't, unlike basketball, get the last few minutes of adrenalin.

I don'tlike it, I won't hold it against anyone who does, but damn well I'll never understand a sport built on top of fifty thousand rules or so.

Soccer only has like 18 rules, so there you go

Comment by Mrs M

June 19th 2007 13:37
Soccer only has like 18 rules
Just one more thing to dislike about soccer

Love & stuff
Mrs M

Comment by yoda76

June 19th 2007 13:45
Ugh - my head is starting to feel like a cube...


Comment by Ahmed

June 19th 2007 13:57
see?

With women it's all talk, they like to elaborate on rule a or rule b, they like things to be so complex so that no one can understand.

but when it comes to doing stuff, meh.

Comment by D. Armenta

June 19th 2007 17:06
Ahmed, sit up and pay attention..Mrs. M, Dusk and Ash are parting your hair with pliskies...

Comment by David

June 19th 2007 21:03
One of the most entertaining comments sections ever.

Pliskies appealed immensely to my ego.

Comment by Andrea

June 19th 2007 23:59
I know ... why not get them into tennis or athletics instead?

My son's four and has already decided he wants to be a "cricket man" when he grows up. Thankfully both my husband and myself love the game so we don't have this issue to contend with.

Good luck Mrs M.
A.

Comment by Ahmed

June 20th 2007 01:19
hey, I got over half the worlds population on my side in this, I just wonder how many people care about the other sports.

I have the kids interests at heart, I mean, the world cup is bigger than everything, bigger than the damn olympics, and the olympics has soccer in it.

So you know, if you want to delibrately put them in a small group, like 1% of the worlds population then go ahead,but that wouldn't be very responsible now would it?

Comment by Mrs M

June 20th 2007 02:49
Hi D,

Thanks for dropping by the mad house. I think I've forgotten what the original question was


Hi Andrea,

I'm happy to let them try all sorts of things...so is Mr M but he does lean towards soccer. I don't have a particular leaning so by sheer virtue of that soccer just keeps coming up. I look forward to watching your son play in the Ashes in 20 years time


Hi David,

It is entertaining isn't it?


Hi Ahmed,

All talk? Keep up boy.

At least with netball Australia is always ranked in the top 2. All the Commonwealth countries play netball. Playing netball will give you the taste of victory.

Soccer, sure might be the biggest game in the world but what are Australia's chances of winning the world cup in your life time or mine?

Love & stuff
Mrs M

Comment by Ahmed

June 20th 2007 02:55
Australias chances are extremely bleak when a Greek woman does not want her kids to play soccer, I don't know what the world has come to, actually.

I mean, Australia being so bad at Soccer should be motivation to do better, not just say 'well were good in a sport no one cares about except for those who play it'. This is the probelm with Australian attitudes, always leaving things be 'well we suck, so who cares? Lets go play netball! yay!'.

You guys are both supposed to love soccer, supposed to dress up in your teams colours when they play against each other and have arguments over referee calls and whatnot to the point you end up divorcing/seeking marriage councelling.

Greeks and Italians are supposedly the most violent soccer fans in the world, something got lost in translation...

Comment by D. Armenta

June 20th 2007 03:05
WHOOOSSHHH!

Right over.

I always enjoy your threads, Mrs. M. The middle-finger guy's too.

Sometimes I'm just at a loss for words...

Comment by Mrs M

June 20th 2007 03:29
Ahmed,

Greeks and Italians are supposedly the most violent soccer fans in the world, something got lost in translation...
Oh I think we lose out to the South Americans on that one.

My kids will probably end up playing soccer...at the very least they will be given the chance to see how they like it.

Let's just hope they don't like it

Love & stuff
Mrs M

Comment by yoda76

June 20th 2007 03:46
I always enjoy your threads, Mrs. M. The middle-finger guy's too.

Ha! That's going back a while in the posts! Someone's been trawling....

Greeks and Italians are supposedly the most violent soccer fans in the world, something got lost in translation...

Damn right. The word you're looking for is PASSIONATE, not violent. Plenty of that going around - have you not been reading? Mrs M is about as passionate as it gets for Netball... she's also not a hackneyed sterotype... we have plenty of arguments about the soccer... don't you worry!!

Hope you have your adsense set up, Mrs M - the hits just keep on comin'!


Comment by Mrs M

June 20th 2007 06:51
Hi D,

Thanks for your kind words. Much appreciated

Love & stuff
Mrs M

Comment by Sarah White

June 21st 2007 11:46
Hiya Mrs M.

Could you maybe try them at both for a while and see if they then have a preference?

In our household we haven't got so much the which sport will Callum do but which football team will he support. Hubby is forever trying to bribe Callum to support Arsenal, not sure how that's going though. hehehe.

Take Care.

Sarah. xxx

Comment by Mrs M

June 21st 2007 13:35
Hi Sarah,

I follow the rugby league pretty closely and have done so since I was 5. When I had Christian (my 3rd) and I asked a friend of mine to be godfather I made him promise that he if he was going to buy rugby league merchandise it had to be for the team I supported and no other. I simply would have rival team merchandise in my house

Thanks for the visit Sarah.

Love & stuff
Mrs M

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